Talk: Timeline

physical timeline[]

The future and past exsist seperatly timeline-wise. Characters are sent through at roughly the same time, arrive at different times (nathanial taylor is a good example) so saying that the first pilgrammage was sent back in 2142 is . . . incorrect. For all we know they have only been sending people through for a few months.

The point is we need two seperate timelines, one for events in the past, and ones in the future . . . ralok 23:45, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Commander Taylor remarks in Genesis: Part 1 that the members of the Tenth Pilgrimage "have all taken a first step, just as I did, seven years ago." The calendar years in Terra Nova are still based on the same Gregorian calendar that the majority of the world uses today. Thus in 2149, it will be 138 years from today, 2011. Commander Taylor and the rest of the First Pilgrimage were sent back in the year 2142; the reason why Taylor arrived alone and the rest of his party did not arrive until 118 days later is still unknown. By 2149, it has been 7 years since Taylor first walked through the portal; that means the Terra Nova colony has also be in existence for roughly 7 years. As years pass in the primary timeline of 2149, the same amount of years pass for the Terra Nova colony. So since Taylor knows he left in 2142, and 7 years have passed since he left, he knows that 7 years have passed in the future; thus it would be 2149. The rate at which time is passing for the colony is no different than the rate at which time is passing for those in the future. I don't think we need two separate timelines, as the events in Terra Nova would still be based upon the dates of the future. Just because the colony is 85 million years in the past, their years would still be based upon the years they came from. Since the Terra Nova colonists still refer to the passage of time in the same manner, I don't think we need two separate timelines, we could just have the years have two sections: Terra Nova (TN) and Modern Day (MD).

In example:

2149

TN:

The Tenth Pilgrimage arrives in Terra Nova.

MD:

The Tenth Pilgrimage departs for Terra Nova

Applications for the Eleventh Pilgrimage begin the review process.

That is just my take on the subject. Ca'dli 01:03, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, ralok may have a point. If the exact time of arrival at Terra Nova is set at the Time Portal, they could set it at whatever they want. They could intentionally have set the arrival time of the Tenth Pilgrimage to be 7 years after the arrival time of Taylor at Terra Nova. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) - Pixar Wikia Administrator 01:19, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

But we know they can't set the arrival time to specific years. When they were promoting the series, the producers said that's why they didn't just set it to the 1920s and invent hybrid cars. They said specifically that the Time Portal only goes 85 million years in the past; narrowing that down to specific years would be impossible, especially since we know they can't. Unless I am not understanding what you are saying. And, I'm not trying to sound rude, it's just I've had a long day and space-time physics aren't really my cup of tea. Ca'dli 01:53, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Well, they can't set the exact time, but maybe they can change the increments between arrivals? Just a long shot and probably not true, just plausible. Also, do we know for sure that time passes at the same rate at Terra Nova? The people at Terra Nova wouldn't know any differently. Also, they don't know where or when the Portal is sending people. Perhaps people are just being sent to a parallel world (Terra Nova) that is actually at the present time (2149), but the Terra Nova world is still in an equivalent state that "Earth Prime" (for lack of a better term in my mind right now) existed in 85 million years ago (as in dinosaurs, etc., just never became extinct). Then again, the moon appeared larger (thus closer), which would bust that theory. This talk is mostly just rhetorical, by the way... - RaptorWiki (Ryan) - Pixar Wikia Administrator 02:14, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

That's fine that it's mostly just rhetorical, but, you mean by them changing the increments between arrivals, wouldn't that mean just waiting a few months to a year? Again, I'm sorry if I'm not following you, or if that was part of what was intended to be rhetorical. Ca'dli 02:24, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

I mean maybe they can't set the exact arrival time, but they can set the exact time differentials between Pilgrimages (or attempt to do so, without knowing the result, of course), based upon when they sent the

First Pilgrimage. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) - Pixar Wikia Administrator 02:29, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I think I know what you're saying now. You mean since they know when the First Pilgrimage arrived, they can set, in parallel, approximately the same amount of time that has passed since they sent the First Pilgrimage? That way it's not entirely a specific time nor a "hit and miss." Ca'dli 02:37, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) - Pixar Wikia Administrator 02:40, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

You are assuming that time passes parallel in terra nova and the present, and there is no indication of that in fact it is shown to be completely false. There is no reason for this assumption! I know time doesnt pass at a different rate . . . but listen! They could send two groups within an hour of each other, the second group could arrive three years AFTER the first group arrived . . . and it may pay to do so to make sure the colony has sufficient supplies and housing for the next group. You assumption that they operate. Certainly time passes at the same RATE, but when people arrive is not set. So you cant assume any dates, BY THE WAY, the rift in time was discovered 21 years before the tenth pilgrimage according to something playing on an inexplicably large television. ralok 01:23, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not assuming anything; the time passing in Terra Nova and in the present would be parallel; they're passing at the same rate. And since, as I posted in response to RaptorWiki's comment, they can't control the arrival date of the pilgrimages, so the portal itself must age parallel to its time of discovery. Again, the reason Commander Taylor arrived alone is not fully understood; it could have been a 1-in-a-million fluke or something. And if they were to send two groups within an hour of each other, and one group arrives three years after the first group, then they should be sending a lot more groups. And I'm guessing you're referring to the reporter seen in Genesis: Part 1; when she states that they discovered the rift in time 22 years prior to the departure of the Tenth Pilgrimage; I don't see how that's really relevant to this. Scientists probably spent years studying the rift, sent the probe through, spent years searching for the probe, deduced it was a separate timestream, and then, in 2142, sent Taylor and the First Pilgrimage back through. Again, I'm not trying to sound irritated or be rude with you, I'm just still somewhat confused about what you are saying. Ca'dli 01:53, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

again, you are assuming that they cant control the time of arrival . . . WHY, why assume these things? Also the point of the reporter was just that it should be on the timeline. Yeah, they seem to have a narrow window of when they can send people back. But that doesnt mean that they cannot aim it slightly. Until we know definitively THE TERRA NOVA TIMELINE MUST REMAIN SEPERATE FROM THE FUTURE TIMELINE. ralok 02:04, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Well we already know they are different timelines. They directly state this in the show. The eventual future of Terra Nova is NOT the 2149 which we saw. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) - Pixar Wikia Administrator 02:20, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not assuming anything! I'm just repeating what I have read! Please, I'm not trying to be angry with you. If they can't control where the portal leads in terms of millions of years, then how could they control where the portal goes in terms of just years?

And now I see that, yes, the future timeline should be kept separate from the Terra Nova timeline, but could you please, please not type out some of your sentences in all caps? It feels like you're yelling at me when you do that. Again, I see now why we should probably try and keep the timelines for the future and Terra Nova separate, but I still don't think that they can control the time of arrival. Until we hear, definitively, from the Cast & Crew or directly from the series, we won't know whether or not Hope Plaza has any control over the specific arrival dates of the Pilgrimages.

Again, I'm not trying to be angry with you, and I hope you're not getting angry with me; I was just confused about what you were saying. I apologize for my misunderstanding. Ca'dli 02:16, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

I am angry with you, because you are insisting that things that havent been confirmed have been. Dealing with incriments of millions of years is different when dealing with minutes, hours, days. If they couldnt aim at all . . . then everyone would arrive at the same time. The only two possibilities are that time moves parallel, or they can aim . . . it seems that they can aim to me . . . but there are two possibilities, and zealously clinging onto one of those possibilities is not how you write a neutral article meant to provide accurate information, especially when there is some evidence working against that idea. ralok 02:33, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

This is a healthy discussion here, no reason to get angry. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) - Pixar Wikia Administrator 02:40, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry I angered you, ralok. But while I'm "zealously clinging" to one of the ideas, you are also "zealously clinging" to your own. You are also insisting on things that haven't been confirmed yet. You say yourself "it seems that they can aim to me." You yourself also stated that "until we know definitively." The evidence that supports your theory erodes my theory. The evidence that supports my theory erodes your theory. Perhaps, since we do not know definitively, both of us should refrain from editing the Timeline. This way, it can be left to contributors who have a more neutral view of the topic, so more accurate information can be provided. Again, I'm sorry that I angered you.

And as RaptorWiki states, this is a healthy discussion; and we're on a Wiki, its sole purpose is to provide information, even if that information must be edited and changed over time, as we learn more. We have two, wonderful, developed ideas, and perhaps, if we leave the Timeline page alone for a while, all of our questions will be answered. Perhaps we'll get some answers tomorrow. Ca'dli 02:52, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

The timeline simply needs to be revamped . . . . preferably by a more neutral third party. But no matter what, the timeline needs to be seperate, because there is at least one instance of time being different in the past (nathanial taylors expeirence). ralok 03:00, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

2142[]

I found a site that states that the first settlers were sent to Terra Nova in 2142. You can see here. After the site opens, choose "Anonymous Mode" and then "Continue" (or "Connect with Facebook" if you want to enter the "lottery"). After the news reports have popped up, click on the "Terra Nova" link to the above-left of the globe. The article that opens states that the first settlers (meaning Taylor and the rest of the First Pilgrimage) departed in 2142.

The article reads:

"Terra Nova The Project

The survival of the human race is in jeopardy. Our resources are on the verge of extinction, and overpopulation and resource depletion have left us with a world almost completely devoid of the natural life that our species depends on.

But there is hope. Scientists have discovered a time fracture that allows us to colonize millions of years in the past. In the year 2142, we began sending a carefully chosen few to Terra Nova - our colony on the other side of the temporal doorway. Since then, pilgrimages of selected recruits and lottery winners have taken this once-in-a-lifetime journey to regenerate our planet.

The selection process for the next group has officialy begun."

Now, as I know that there were arguments in the past, does anyone disagree if I put this into the Timeline page? I believe that the site itself is run by Fox as well, meaning that this should be a reliable, canon source.

Again, I don't want to edit this page without approval from other contributors or admins. Thoughts, everyone?

Ca'dli 17:06, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

That is a Fox site, so anything there should be canon, yes. I say go for it. Thanks! - RaptorWiki (Ryan) - Pixar Wikia Administrator 17:27, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

All right, thanks RaptorWiki! I'll go ahead and add it in then. Ca'dli 17:34, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

reason for my undo of revision 11162 by Gaarmyvet to this article[]

It is spelled onscreen as "Cooke County", so even if that was a typo on the part of the production / VFX staff, this spelling should supercede any real-life spelling until it has appeared onscreen at least once. For all we know in the parallel continuity of TN it was always spelled that way or changed at some point. - Bell'Orso 15:27, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Uh, okay for now, but I'm not convinced.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 15:31, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

"Terra Nova" section[]

It's empty, so why is it there? Is it just a placeholder until an actual timekeeping system for the Terra Nova colony is revealed onscreen? Because for the moment it seems as if the characters just go on using the established one. They certainly use the standard names for the weekdays. - Bell'Orso 12:43, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

IMO, there was some hope that a timeline would develop. As of now, it's not even clear how long the Shannons have been in Terra Nova. I say delete the section.--User:Gaarmyvet/Sig 15:21, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I'll go ahead and delete both headings and instead subdivide the "Earth" section further into decades.